Opinions on Pursuit?
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"ass" as if it doesn't struggle less on hiddens than bumpin
- 0Edited 17:32, 11 October 2026
You're acting like he isn't inferior version of RCB and other similar towers. Also, is hating Kingpin is a part of your personality? What did he did to you?
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let me explain to you something
pursuit has map wide range, with better cost efficiency than kingpi
it has splash damage on both paths
and it can be used in the mid game to catch leaks
it costs nearly 100k less in total than kingpin while bringing way more to the table
pursuit is ranger but less made for bosses and more for crowds, its damage output isnt constant but its faster- 0
His ability has very long cooldown, his AOE is only noticeable on Bottom Path, his CE is horrendous on both paths, especially considering that he can't utilize his map-wide range probably. His AOE on bottom path is very unconsistent, his DPS on top path is trivial compared to other options. Just use Ranger or Operator.
- 2Edited 17:55, 11 October 2026
"very long cooldown" pursuit has a very big patrol range so its literally an issue of you not knowing how to use it + pursuit's reposition is one of the shorter cooldown abilities
"aoe is only noticeable on bottom path" pursuit's aoe is very good in the mid game and the price youre paying, even if top path's missiles are weak, its still good to have a way to clear weak hordes and use its bullets on bulky enemies
"its ce is horrendous" almost as if it has map wide range + its ce is debatably better than kingpin when you include the fact is has map wide range
"its aoe on bottom path is very inconsistent" NOWWW you wanna talk about inconsistency, and it has a huge reload because.. its a burst of 500 damage that can splash, thats genuinely insane for barely over 30k$
"dps on top path is trivial" almost as if its stun immune and has map wide range, kingpin has similar if not less dps than pursuit without any of those advantages, ironically, STRUGGLING even more than the average dps due to the lack of those two things
"just use ranger" ranger is a better boss killer but struggles against hordes and weaker enemies alot more
"just use operator" as much as i like the tower, it doesnt shine as much in the late-end game of most modes, due to the lack of stun immunity fucking up both passives (still goated) and also eating up alot of ur palcements in larger teams- 0
Stun Immunity isn't some kind of an godly immunity, it doesn't justifies anything, hus cooldown is fast for nornal abiluty, but nit for a repositiin. Kubgpin CE is very good with units, Pursuit mid-game performancer is horrendous dye to him having cancer CE and bad range on earlier levels. He would've been a good tower if not the fact that there are much better alternatives.
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"stun immunity isnt some kind of a godly immunity" dude, it literally is on like 95% of the modes, only being slightly countered in frost and that one enemy in hardcore. even then due to how its range works, you cna place it at the back of the map with no issue
"cooldown is fast for normal ability, but not for a reposition" the only other self-reposition ability is brawler, and his is short because he's a melee tower. pursuit has way higher range and a good patrol range placement can basically half your usage of the ability.
"pursuit mid-game performance is horrendous due to him having cancer CE and BAD RANGE??"pursuit has MAP WIDE range and while its damage output is kinda ehhh for the price, you still have MAP WIDE range bro
"kingpin ce is very good with units" who arent immune to damage or freeze, so they die very easily in the late game anyway, and as i said, youre never having full uptime on lackeys due to them needing to reach the front of the map due to their below average range and the fact if an enemy is hidden, flying or lead, you're losing either your kingpin or lackey dps, so most of the time your kingpin is dealing below average dps.- 2
Im gonna be honnest map wide range is overrated. Most maps in the game only need a few dps towers with decent ranges andaybe a dj to cover most of the area. Unless its bathroom aproach or a real stringy map like dead ahead the global range pursuit offers is more or so a crutch
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holy shit this is deadass the worst take ive ever read
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Theres kind of this spectrum your not realizing: one side is saftey, thats pursuit, ranger. Towers with global range and stun immunity and the other side is power. You realize that every time that pursuit is somewhat oppressive its nerfed. Because safety towers arnt suppose to overshadow power towers.
Besides when you catch a leaked enemy with pursuit now you 1 -3 of your towers are out of position which causes more enemies to leak. Compared to kingpin (a sub dps mind you), sure its dps somewhat lies in the summons but unlike pursuit your not shifting the damage around. Theres still a tower attacking and its also building up units. Yeah the units can die but thats why its a power town. You have risk for more reward- 1
pursuit is both safety and power in the sense that
it has map wide range
is pretty cost efficient for the coverage it has
has both splash and single target making it be able to synergize with itself
and sure its dps isnt like hardcore-evo level but
its range makes it have way more attacking time then most towers, explaining its lower than average dps.
while sure catching leaks may make you concentrate your dps more in the back, you can just move it later and even then whats stopping pursuit from catching the new leaks- 2
Then explain why Kingpin made Solo Hardcore trivial, but not Pursuit post RoF fix? Oh wait, it's because Kingpin is actually better...
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dude
the only main late game dps you can bring in solo hc is gmini
and also
pursuit was still being used in solo hc pre kingpin update bro- 2
So pursuit got replaced
- 0Edited 03:28, 12 October 2026
no? because it wasnt the meta pick, engineer was and still is the meta pick for solo hc
it is still usable but theres obviously better options because its not as versatile in the early game
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Still got replaced for a tower that made 4 slot possible. Just give up, dude.
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pursuit made solo operation ice possible
it was and still is meta for all survival modes
it has map wide range, has missiles
and dude kingpin is only good in late game solo hc he struggles in the early game of the mode and literally everywhere outside of solo hc- 1
"he struggles in early game of the mode-"
Why is he lying? You know that Golden Minigunner, DJ, and Kingpin are bought immediately after farming, right?- 0Edited 06:09, 12 October 2026
DJ PERFORMS BETTER THAN KINGPIN FOR THE EARLY DETECTION CHECKS
GMINI IS YOUR MAIN LATE GAME
KINGPIN IS ONLY GOOD FOR THE LATE GAME FLYING
YOUR GOAT GETS MOGGED BY A LVL 3 SUPPORT TOWER
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DJ can't kill the first Elite Lead without level 4 (which is pricy) and Kingpin helps with that. You also don't need to place DJ if you can buy a back Kingpin (which is also pricy, since you're selling it later), so having DJ for that niche is fine for any tower, not just Kingpin.
I don't know why you're slandering DJ's versatility here, like as if he does genuinely nothing. He's more than just a discount merchant, you know?- 0
I will probably kill you with this, but during my SHC Triumphing run i never used DJ on green.
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sonion...
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I thought that without damage/range buff i would die...
- 1Edited 07:03, 12 October 2026
> Complains about dying to Void Swordmaster in multiple instances.
> Doesn't use Green Track DJ as a source of income and discounting most of his army.
"Hmm, I wonder why I'm losing!"- 0
Not all kingpin fans
But always a kingpin fan- 1
This isn't even about Kingpin anymore. It's just about competence and common sense now.
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Notice how itâs the guy who glazes kingpin with his life
That struggles on solo hc with a preventable mistake
Genuinely said solo flying is cancer (merc base victim of a mode)
And somehow gets a slow kill on penumbras with evo towers- 0
Yeah, i didn't knew meta for Penumbras. Also, Merc. Base ain't doing a shit to 2 25k fast tanks that summon giant crowds every 3 seconds and breakers with 1 minute frames.
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But it did for me at a time where merc was actually WEAKER than it is now
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«dj canât kill first elite lead until level 4 » that is still way less money spent than a level 4a kingpin for WAYY better cc
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You only need a level zero Kingpin... Why are you larping?
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money runners or lackeys arenât doing shit when the Ă©lite lead and flyings are already at the back of the map, this is Even more apparent with low-no skill tree
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You are actually larping on how Elite Leads die to a level 3 DJ Booth and level zero Kingpin with a level 2 Golden Minigunner at the back...
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âKingpin is only good for late game flyingâ
Ok buddy
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"Legacy HC", "Operation I.C.E". Why are you showing legacy feats when we are talking about modern time? No arguments?
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Idk where THE FUCK legacy hc was mentionned + pursuit is a solid boss killer in the current meta
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"Solid boss killer" just stop playing Summer Castle and you will see how good he is.
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youre the one struggling in flying trial
Playing Any map harder than hard difficulty and tell me how good kingpin is- 0
Apparently if a person can solo something harder than HC he sucks. Also, why shouls i play Insane maps anyways?
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NOW I KNOW THAT DONT SAY FLYING TRIAL IS HARDER THAN SOLO HC
DEAR GOD
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The people in this wiki tend larp to larp the viability and difficulty of a lot of things in this game...
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But flyings are harder than HC. Also, can we make a new branch, because pressing "Continue thread" 15 times is annoying.
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NO BRO NO
YO I HOPE TO GOD YOURE BEING IRONIC
KINGPIN GLAZER REALIZES HIS GOAT ONLY PERFORMS WELL IN SOLO HC - 2
We are just outright lying at this point. Solo Hardcore without the Skill Tree is absolutely cancer, while Solo Flying without it is the same as doing any Solo "hard" gamemode.
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At least SHC doesn't rushes you with 2 25K fast enemies that spawn every 2 milliseconds and all that unholy spam when you still have 0 defenses even with maxed Farms and allat when your loadout is ultra restricted and cancer map.
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JUST USE MERC SND STOP GLAZING KINGPIN
IT WORKED FOR ME LAST YEAR IT DEFINITELY WILL FOR YOU IN A META WITH WAY STRONGER TOWERS
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Let's be real, any Evolved Tower brought to Operation: I.C.E would be a balancing mess.
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When did he say kingpin would replace G mini? You can bring both towers and it will be WAY better than pursuit
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Youre comparing a tower that deals single Target anti lead to a map Wide flying shredder thatâs meant to be a DPS tower. Kingpin functions better because⊠he doesnât. He only deals slightly better in the mid game but in the late game itâs similar if not worse performance due to how boss attacks can both destroy your stacks and stun your kps
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Then explain how kingpin makes 4 slot and no skill tree solo hardcore possible but pursuit is just some non-meta background tower that youâre glazing for no reason.
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He is glazing only old towers because of their previous feats and slanders Kingpin for no reason.
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KINGPIN HAS ZERO FEATS OUTSIDE OF SOLO HC
- 2Edited 08:58, 12 October 2026
You do realize the fact that kingpin was used for the first completion of solo hardcore with 4 slots, which is insane. Pursuit cannot do that. No skill tree solo hardcore as well is an incredible feat that was first beaten with kingpin. Now youâre slandering kingpin because its feats are only well-known for solo hardcore. It has also achieved many other feats that cannot be completed without it.
So YES it has feats outside of solo hardcore, and WHY in the world are you hating on kingpin when you know itâs good enough for those solo hardcore feats, let alone how good it also is for EVERY other mode.- 0
« YES IT has feats outside of solo hardcore »
>only names his feats in solo hardcore that arenât as hard as you make it out to be, literally just being a test of Raw DPS
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Cuz thats the only mode heâs good at it
Kingpin gets FUCKED by any other tower in any other mode and even debatably hardcore outside of solos- 3
Thatâs nonsense. Do you know how good kingpin is at molten, fallen, hidden wave, frost, voidcore, pizza party, solo lost souls, pw2, badlands II, all these other modes?
How the FUCK is kingpin ONLY good at solo hardcore? Youâre saying nonsense at this point. Just give up and accept that kingpin actually a good tower.- 0
Yanboblox says that Kingpin is 5/10 flying detector, when Engi has half of that.
- 0Edited by a moderator 22:12, 12 October 2026
Engineer would be a 5/10 flying DPS if you know..
She couldnt do everything else
« WHATTT THE JACK OF ALL TRADES DOESNT EXCEL AT ONE THING »
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« Do you know how good kingpin is at »
Molten - the mode is brainless and I bet he gets fucked by the rushes of hidden in the mid game
Fallen - brainless too and the struggling against hiddens is even more apparent + flying enemies make you have less total average dps
Hidden wave - mfs just lying
Frost - itâs Butt easy as well and the detections makes his average dps ALSO making the frost boss fight insanely tank for bumpin
Voidcore - no he isnt
Pizza party, lost souls, pw2, badlands are all ridiculous easy (except solo pw2), i was able and csn beat them all pretty consistently with cheaper towers in small teams, sometimes by myself, this isnât a flex, and 2/3 of those modes have no detection checks outside of hidden, making kingpin more useless actually- 0
You're acting like Engi is useful in any hard mode besides HC.
- 0Edited 16:38, 12 October 2026
she is bro
tell me why i was able to beat duo buffed polluted with gmini and engi- 0
Because it's not hard.
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she made the first ever solo hc possible
she made the first ever skill-less solo hc possible
she was consistently in low skil ltree runs even before the release of kingpin
she made the first solo pw2 possible back then and makes solo buffed pw2 way easier
she smokes the early game of frost mode (which isnt hard but is still a better feat than kingpin)
she smokes most trials (which you somehow find hard)- 0
First SHC was made with FTech pre-nerf. She... what? Smokes Frost/Trials? Maybe she does so until W10 in CT and W16 in Frost. Kingpin is used for low tree runs too. Legacy feats don't count.
- 0Edited 18:00, 12 October 2026
"legacy feats dont count" the game is way easier than it was back then so if anything, legacy feats are way better, solo hardcore back in '22 to '23 is basically the equivalent of soloing voidcore today
and also the first solo legacy hc was done by engi
the first solo reworked hc was done with firework tech but as people learned the mode they realizd engi was better, even more after ftech got nerfed- 1Edited 19:12, 12 October 2026
Any Hardcore and Evolved tower from this era brought into Legacy would obliterate everything, so of course Legacy feats don't count... That's extremely stupid...
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the game was still harder back then, efficient gem grinding strats were 300/h
fallen actually required prime accel (pre-nerf jugg of 2020-2023 tds basically) to solo
the game was harder so being able to solo the hardest mode in the game's history and that was impossible less than a year before that is a great feat no matter what year it is right now
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Yanboblox, youâre exaggerating your points way too far.
âKingpin has anti leadâ
Top path can deal 295 damage to lead enemies with one shot + bounties reaching up to $50,000
âMap wide rangeâ
Youâre saying this like this one feature makes it better than kingpin and juggernaut. Like Bman shadow said, itâs overrated, and in reality, âmap-wide rangeâ sounds better than it is, especially considering the fact you have to wait 20 seconds between each reposition. If youâve seen kingpinâs range at both paths, youâd be surprised. Also its units can catch leaks more easily, passively and frequently than pursuit.
âShredderâ
Pursuit only deals 260 dps at its best and most expensive path while kingpin ALONE deals 500 dps. With a maximum lackey stack it can deal nearly 2000 dps with lackeys alone. A bit ironic that youâre saying pursuit is a shredder compared to kingpin when he does that much dps.
Pursuit canât even make a single buck, either. Kingpin has money runners and bounties which can make much more money than a farm in seconds.
Kingpin has much more range than pursuit and catches leaks so much better. Unlike pursuit, when you reposition it to the back to catch leaks, it will focus on that one spot with a long ass cooldown while the enemies at the front start leaking even more. With kingpin, its units catch leaks easily while the kingpin itself defends the front consistently and reliably.
âBut stun immunity!!â
Youâre also saying this like it makes it superior to kingpin in every way. Stuns only significantly occur in late game in specific modes, so really, it doesnât matter that much. Kingpin can easily solo mid game without being affected at all by stunning. If you want stun immunity, BRING MEDIC. Easy.
Test pursuit in a hardcore game and compare it to a full potential kingpin. I guarantee you its better whether you like it or not- 0
I almost cried from joy when i saw your amazing post. OverpeakTadpole2.
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half your points on kingpin is his performance in perfect situations, a tower depending on perfect situations to perform well is infact, a bad tower
"295" you're still spending 30k on the tower bro, use ranger or hell max dj the crowd control is miles better
"map wide range" is infact good, while sure in more compact maps its less useful, you can still concentrate your dps WHERE you want, 20 seconds is insanely short for a tower ability, let alone one with that much coverage, if anything, the smaller the map is, the less you have to reposition. Units cannot catch leaks for shit except maybe lackey, bouncer's hp is wack, contractor is just sad, lackey has to stack alot to have meaningful dps, his hp nor range dont make up for it
"pursuit only deals 260 at its best, kingpin 2k" not only are you wrong about pursuit, youre wrong about kingpin, pursuit has 302 dps, kingpin has 460 dps (yes that 40 dps matters when multiplied), his units can only stack up to 525 (IN A PERFECT SITUATION WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN MOST MAPS AND MODES DUE TO LACKEYS NOT HAVING BREATHING ROOM IN BETWEEN SPAWNS, SO ON AVERAGE ITS CLOSER TO 300)
"stun immunity doesnt make it superior" but it does, kingpin is probably the late game tower most affected by stuns, youre losing both your kingpin dps for a while, and a huge chunk of your stacks for an even longer amount of time, and medic isnt saving those units + even if oyu were to bring medic, youre still sacrificing one tower slot just to avoid stuns
"easily solo midgame" until any tanky hidden comes in
"test pursuit in a hardcore and compare it to a FULL POTENTIAL kingpin" mf had to specifify potential- 1Edited 21:23, 12 October 2026
If youâre worrying about the price for lead, just get the first upgrade for top path. Also, I mentioned top path wasnât just for the damage and lead but also for the income. You didnât mention that at all but just put the price and damage in the spotlight.
20 seconds is NOT good for a reposition idk what youâre talking about. At least kingpin with his insane dps can defend the front while his units do the same, and if it leaks, his lackeys can defend that passively. Did I mention anything about bouncers or contractors?
kingpinâs dps is 460 (yes itâs rounded) which is 160 more than pursuit on its best path, not even counting its lackeys, which can deal 2000 dps in a maximum stack of all 4 kingpins. Do the math.
Also, even in a situation that isnât perfect, the lackey stack could still be nearing around 1,000-1,500 DPS. If you add the kingpinâs dps to the maximum it will be 2500 dps. In a normal situation, probably 1,500-2000. Pursuit still is around 300 dps yet you call it a shredder.
âUntil a tank hidden comes inâ
Again youâre exaggerating itâs one weakness. Its lackeys can handle hidden EASILY, for god sake.
âSACRIFICING a tower slotâ
Medic is one of the BEST support towers in the whole game, being able to boost damage and Firerate significantly and shield towers from stuns. When was it called âsacrificingâ? Either that, or just bring juggernaut as a main DPS while also cutting stun times in HALF.
The reason I clarified âfull potentialâ was because, considering your hate with kingpin, you would probably bias the game and use kingpin worse than what it actually is.- 0Edited 22:44, 12 October 2026
"if youre worrying about the price for lead" TOP PATH COSTS 20K and sure its eco is good but.. thats not damage + bounties are unironically booty until the final 10 waves of a mode
"20 seconds is not good for a reposition" it literally is on both paths a good placement of the patrol range can make the cooldown feel like 10
"atleast kingpin with his INSANEEE dps can defend the front" 460 dps for 125k is atrocious cost efficiency, seriously even pursuit is a better bang for your buck, and also due to how kingpin and lackeys detections never overlap, both having lead + flying and the other having hidden respectively. meaning that when an enemy is hidden, flying or lead, you are losing a good chunk of your dps, meaking him even less worth your money. lackeys cannot stack at the back of the map, this is even more apparent with the anti-stacking mechanic of tds (Where units cannot be at the exact same position) and the fact that the 3 unit queues of kingpin will most likely not be synced, making unit stacking even harder. boucer hp is actually ass, half the hp of a riot guard, with the same spawnrate. contractor just sucks and can only realistically stack to up to 200 dps per kingpin, with medicore hp..
"the lackey stack could still be nearing around 1-1.5k dps" on average that dps is closer to 1.2k-1.4k in total of all 4 kingpins, their unit queues arent synced unless you maxed them the moment you placed them. including kingpin dps, that's still a lil over 3k, which may sound good. but kingpin and lackey are such independent forms of dps its actually ridiculous, kingpin can be stunned, not lackeys, this may sound like an advantage, until you realize lackeys can diefrom attacks, so your dps could be drastically lowered for 30-50s, way worse than a stun in my opinion + dont forget the only way for lackeys to not be frozen is field medics, meaning kingpin depends on a 3rd party to be good in the late game of frost and hardcore (i wont be against kingpin needing 3rd parties in voidcore cuz every other dps does). also as i said multiple times now, lackey has only hidden, kingpin has only flying and lead, meaning if any tanky hidden/lead/flying enemy came in, thats half your dps gone. and the final point about kingpin being a mediocre dps. since units cant be debuffed, they cant be buffed either, meaning the more you buff other towers, like engi, accel and jugg, the less kingpin seems good.
"youre exagerating it" but im not, even in the mid game (which let's be honest with eachother, even level 4 of the bottom path is unaffordable, aka the only way to get decent lackey dps, is locked behind late game) kingpin gets fucked by hidden enemies, and sure even if at "MAX POTENTIAL" lackey dps is alright, it isnt even worth your money, youre still averaging a ce of 250 (which is atrocious compared to other towers like accel, engineer, jugg and both mini variants) against hiddens.
on the topic of max potential, pursuit literally has inf potential with its missiles, technically meaning, pursuit smokes kingpin in every way
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Finally someone had spoken a truth.
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Generally throwing shade against kingpin for no reason
- 1Edited 19:35, 11 October 2026
Pursuit has a lot of issues that drag it down (downtime, inconsistency, lack of detections) but I can't in good faith call it a truly bad tower. It's still not good, but really not bad either. Stun immunity isn't that helpful though, since basically all relevant content has Freeze or Curse used over Stun, or just Range/Firerate debuffs. Global range isn't very valuable either when most maps are compact enough for all relevant DPS towers to have most of the map covered.
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"downtime, inconsistency" you deadass said the same thing twice
"stun immunity isn't that helpful" unironically like 99% of enemy attacks that arent debuffs can stun your towers and in modes where freeze or curse is relevant or even there in the first place, maps are big enough to just place pursuits at the back and move the helis at the front, also due to its burst nature, pursuitis actually LESS affected by debuffs then other dps
global range is in fact valuable, especially in the mid game, even if it does fall off a little in the late game where most if not all enemies will die at the front, it doesnt change that pursuit can still be microed and catch leaks without any money spent in boss fights (where most of the time the boss will reach pretty far unless if youre doing a 100% winrate voidcore strat or sum)- 1
why are you encouraging people to put pursuit out of support range
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cuz it cant take support too well, and bottom path's main form of dps can only be affected by damage buffs, putting it in support rangecan work but since you guys are so deep into the "stun immunity is useless" mindset thats technically the only thing that makes it invulnerable
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Idk its pretty good but I haven't used it enough to make a good opinion
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Didn't use it much, But i think it's good
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