Worst HC tower?
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How the HELL is Brawler worse than Necromancer
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Brawler is Molten coin grinding merchant and that's all.
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Brawler is a tower easier to outclass, considering how brutal the early game roster is.
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use it in a real game of hardcore or fallen and see why necromancer is better
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One of 3 towers that gave me SHC triumph btw.
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Gladiator, Operator, G-Demo and a lot more early game towers outclass it. The only towers I see outclassing Necromancer in the Spawner Archetype is Merc Base and Kingpin, and those two towers are some of the best in the game.
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besides necromancer (which isnt bad just the worst of these five elite towers), brawler gets so much unnecessary hate. Decent range for a melee tower, best cost efficiency of any tower in the dps, knockback. Deadass only downsides are his hidden at level 3 (which is pretty late) and thats it. brawler is by no means a bad tower he can be used for nearly every gamemode and serve as a speedrunning option (which the best towers are gonna give you the BEST results)
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He isn't a bad tower, but he is powercrept.
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by whom? The so called towers that "powercreep" him serve completely different purposes (which sounds controversial I can explain why assassin, operator, or warden are all seperate from brawler, I mean they are better towers except assassin but its like apples to oranges and tbh I dont feel like explaining). For a melee early game he does his role well, probably only rivalled by gladiator cuz his aoe adds insane cost efficiency (and great sub dps).
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His main niche is early game, but he is just not needed for that when we have other towers. His reposition is useless, unless you just need to catch a small leak. His knockback is useless due to most enemies having Stun Immunity.
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single target unlike any other melee tower besides warden makes it bad in modes with crowds
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your acting like single target isnt an early game struggle because people dont bother using any single target and stick to their splash based early game
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The only viable early splash towers are G Demoman, who doesn't have Flying and needs to be spammed to really get going, and G Pyromancer, who isn't really splash at all and is more a support tower that happens to do well in early game (Not to mention he's ASS against high health enemies). Almost every other common early game tower (Engineer, G Scout, Operator, G Soldier, both Cowboys, even niche stuff like Sniper and Militant) is single-target, which Brawler isn't really able to compete with since they all have much better range and don't need to hope for stunlocking.
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super truth nova
assassin also works as an early aoe tower but doesn't really compare to g.demo when it comes to reliability (but is often preferred in speedruns for his monstrous ce)
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Brawler is outdone by Assassin. Pack it up, man.
In general, Brawler is just by far the worst melee tower in the game, even more so than Warden (since at least Warden gets an insane upscale with Exploding Enemies enabled). His stall has the most common immunity (stun) and is still quite negligible outside of stall stacking, he has no consistent AoE, he has pathetic range (as with all melees), is almost purely single target, and scales terribly in multiplayer, whereas in singleplayer there are tens of better options than Brawler.
Reposition is mediocre at best and is only harmed further by its cooldown, he can't stall, he can't deal with hordes, he can't deal with single targets, WHAT DOES HE EVEN DO???
There is literally NOTHING Brawler brings to the table. At the bare fucking minimum Necromancer has high potential and scales well with the Skill Tree. Brawler's potential is nonexistent. Even fucking Assassin is better than this bum, and Assassin covers the exact same detections for CHEAPER while having actual AoE that isn't on a shitty 30 second cooldown and only causes you to leak MORE than you would have despite being designed to catch leaks. NEVER use this tower.- 1
Everything you just said gets negated by actual gameplay oh my god
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How many times have you used him in mode above Fallen? Having Reposition ability that has cooldown of monthly salary, which is useless on over half months. His Knockbach is only useful during early-game. Slasher is a boss killer. Warden is a DPS monster with the strongest stun in the game. Gladiator has godly AOE, Assasin is cheaper, more viable but weaker option that Gladiator. Brawler is just useless.
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ive used brawler in every gamemode in the game but voidcore and he still hasnt disappointed me when it came to some of the best results. Its not easy to use him (also his reposition does come in handy but its just a nice add on), but after a few tries he will deliver some insane runs
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tell me one practical use for brawler that he doesn't get completely outdone in
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early to mid game single target which hes the best tower for
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golden scout and operator (mind you, operator holds up better into the mid-lategame as well, and golden scout has the same detections). even then, early-mid tends to have a lot more of a horde focus than single target.
the only use brawler has is speedrunning and even then assassin has proved better for speedruns (Notice how literally zero speedrun strategies for anything past Molten use Brawler right now)- 1
golden scout and operator quite literally arent the stats are right infront of you. Also assassin..? Yeah ok bro sure whatever you want
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check frost speedruns
also, gscout and operator have actual range, something brawler deeply lacks (due to the nature of melee towers).- 1
when using melee towers you are accepting the fact enemies should not be leaving their range otherwise you are using melee towers wrong. Melee towers arent willy nilly "oh im gonna farm wrong and not bring any additional towers and wonder why the enemies left my range".
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brawler can't stall worth a shit and enemies escape his piss short range very easily. assassin has this issue too but makes up for it with proper aoe and spammability (something brawler also lacks)
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wait what i thought we were calling the warden outclassed by the brawler back then when you could place 6 brawlers whaaaaaa did the rebalance really make the warden that peak?!
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yeah peak dat time completed
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Hey like brawler still looks cool tho right?? that had to give him something
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