like i think we all expected a difficulty spike on night 4 but not this big of one. i cant even get past wave 3 dude. i swear they better nerf this
genuinely WHY does the event need to be harder than voidcore
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tds players when they cant get an instant 140k damage nuke of a tower and the only tower that can fully stun bosses in a mode that can be beaten nst + all modifiers + 1 slot
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difficulty elitists when you bring up a mode being unfun and unbalanced
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unfun and unbalanced is when you cant solo it with snowballer and goatgineer
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Unfun is when i dont feel a damn of joy playing it, which i dont think that was the idea behind this event
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Okay I'm just gonna get this straight since mostly everyone is already sick of you again.
Are you fucking dense? Actually, no, that shouldn't even be a question. You ARE dense. You literally never even stop to think before you type. You never stop to realize how quickly you make yourself look like an idiot. You never stop to let go of things and move on with your life.
For fucks sake, get a grip on reality. All you've done is make other people's experience worse with half assed comments that only exist to ragebait.
Sit down, close your browser, and read a fucking book.- 0
"Read a fucking book" enthusiast of the furniture FC is still dragging the literature gimmick
WE GOOOD off that
also this doesn't explain why im not right and you arent complaining for no reason at all
if you want an easy game play bg games or sloppy anime tower defense games- 1
You really only prove my point here and I'm not even trying to be egocentric for once.
Let go. Seriously. I'm starting to think the whole community would be better off without you.- 0
proving your point is when not even elaborating on what it is
just admit you hate using your brain in a game genre that's known for requiring good usage of it
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"Heh, let the real gamers play while you simply drool all over your slop"
I should remind that this is a roblox with most of its monetization based on gambling, and its current artistic style is made with the intention to attract small children with a bunch of pretty colors, all I am saying is that you should not act superior- 0
im not acting superior
i genuinely just cannot take anybody whining over this event's difficulty seriously
objectively, the event NEEDED to end like this
the first few nights were butt easy (and no just because you struggled with it doesn't mean it's a top 3 hardest mode oat)
said nights had no special gimmick
and also we've been lacking an actually hard event since fucking violent night (null and void + the final act are pretty hard dont get me wrong but still weren't that dominating compared to n4)
and the event tower is debatably the BEST heavy hitter in tds' history, is able to stun bosses with a stun time higher than fucking trapper
and can literally deal hundreds of thousands of damage in one singular hit
literally the golden warship of paradoxum games- 0
"we've been lacking an actually hard event since fucking violent night" woah now hold your horses night 3 of hexscape was pretty brutal for first like 2-5 hours
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ngl i kinda forgot hexscape since alot of personal stuff was happening to me at the time
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"Objectively" according to who? Even as a hyperbole, that still wouldnt work because the average player indeed does not find enjoyable the event. If everyone is complaining is because they are not having fun with the event, a good event does not need to be impossibly hard to be deemed as "good", it has to be enjoyable, if you find hard games fun, thats fine, theres an entire gamemode dedicated for players seeking for a challenge, don't force people to find hard games enjoyable if they dont enjoy it.
I also dont find the point of saying an event tower is "the BEST at something", when that has happened multiple times, and every single time, its almost a guarantee that its going to be nerfed at some point, much less when the event has just released.- 0
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TDS Mindset
Complain about something being to easy
Complain about something being to hard
The Mr Sunshine and rainbows and never criticze paradoxums comes in and puts two and two together and concludes that theres no middleground
And tds event gameplay has not improved ever since- 0
You're one of the people who threw tantrums about 'too easy' so maybe shut up.
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"objectively according to who" doesn't mean its a democratic vote or something, dude objectively everyone on earth dying wouldn't change anything about the universe but im really sure nobody including me wants that to happen. solar requiem NEEDED to finish as a hard challenge, umbra's return was teasing us for nearly 5 years (like early-mid 2022 is the farthest i can remember her being teased), the event was literally too easy and even if they do the buff the nights, thats what an event should be, you arent even forced to play the event either, sure you may be a completionist, but if you are one, i dont think you'd mind taking up the challenge.
the "if you find X fun that's fine but it shouldn't be forced into Y" applies both ways, you can find casual gameplay fun and i kinda see the appeal around it, but a strategy game shouldn't be forcing you like 8 brainless modes and 1-2 actually brain power requiring ones- 1
You can't compare an objective fact such as "dying" to a subjective opinion such as "I want a hard af event", thats why those 2 words exist, you SUBJECTIVELY want a challenge for an event, and lets not act dumb, the main appeal of TDS have been the events, not the gamemodes, its obvious which part of the game recieves more love and care, thats what has kept TDS running for so long, so telling everyone to screw themselves because YOU wanted a hard event is not fair, you sound like those annoying dudes who cry a river over gatekeeping their 5 year old event tower.
I can understand the sentiment of wanting a grand finale for a villain that has been teased for a long time, but that also doesnt justify why you want the average to not play the main appeal of the game just because you want a hard game,
also the "if you find X fun that's fine but it shouldn't be forced into Y", does not apply to you because you are not the common consensus, you are not the rule, you are the exception,- 0Edited 1 hour ago
"that also doesnt justify why you want the average to not play the main appeal of the game" JUST USE STRATS
tds has never been hard outside of voidcore, self imposed challenges and occasional events since 2023
ALSO the "if you find x bla bla bla" thing
it doesn't apply to me, you're right, it applies to literally the big chunk of people who want the event that's returning a fan favorite boss and debatably the best halloween boss in the game's history to be hard, even if its not the majority, those people still deserve an actually good finale to umbra
i am not the rule
i am not the exception
i am just speaking for alot people- 1Edited 1 hour ago
You should not be forced to use strats to even beat an event, they should only make your life easier, hell you should not even compare a limited time event to a permanent gamemode with the intention of being stupid hard if you are able to awknowledge that its indeed that hard.
I have played every single TDS event since Frost Invasion, and not once have I felt obligated to use a strat to win, so why start now? Why should that be an obligation instead of an option?
Whats the point of having matchmaking if its only going to be a misleading choice with a 100% chance of failure?
Also, as far as Ive seen, people have only been throwing rocks at you, I've yet to see the "HUGE chunk" you are talking about to come out with their sword and cape to defend their view about this event, also just because this "chunk" of people want to experience the event you have in mind, those that mean everyone else shouldn´t like you stated just because "its an optional event"?- 0
"you should not be forced to use strats to even beat an event" that's because.. you aren't.. you just dont strategize bro
"hell you should not even compare a limited time event to a permanent gamemode" events are meant to be hard bro it isnt that hard to understand, the first 3 nights were too easy and having an easy finale would be underhwelming, remember nerfed act 3? + a strat will come out in the next few days im 100% sure
"what's the point of having matchmaking" no one uses matchmaking be so fucking real now
"those that mean every else shouldn't" holy grammar
and dude casual players are allowed to have their casual modes, the entire survival roster is there, why take over the most hyped character since 2021- 0
I love how irrelevant the grammar part was beyond the "aura" points you earn from it
"Thats because you arent... you just dont strategize" You are asking the average (I am getting sick of saying this word) to use strats, but also to not? Btw nice strawman you got there.
Also I have yet to see an event comparable to the HARDEST MODE YET in this game, that should not be the standard for new events, less with how the difficulty spike for this event was presented which was originally meant for casual players. Also notice how I never said that anything about having an easy finale.
Again, whats the point of having matchmaking if you are not meant to use it, you have yet to give me an actual answer.
Again, why should the casual players not be allowed to play the main appeal of the game
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tds players when you cant solo the event (let alone any new difficult mode) within the first hours of release because the wave layout and knowledge of it doesnt magically come to you (after a few tries im getting the hang of night 4 ive reached final wave once now)
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notice how they're only replying to me
selective anger im telling you- 1
the hoarde of newbies ratio'd my og post 10-nothing bro before u came along I think they just dislike you more then me
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I think most dislike both of you equally atm ngl.
Also I've been here since Frost Invasion so you don't get to throw that newbie slop at me, I just have this thing called a life, as do a lot of other people who aren't a fan of Night 4's difficulty.- 1
I also use the word newbie interchangeably for noob aka trash at the game
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I guess not liking difficulty slop means people are trash, eh? Heaven forbid we want to have fun instead of sweat 24/7.
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"difficulty slop"
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Do I really need to explain how trying to make kaizo with a tower defense wave structure on a limited time mode isn't a good idea? Or how unfun it is to constantly have to hope to god that whatever the hell you did last round to get you past a spike wave works again? Or how reading a Google doc to know what to do is just fudging annoying?
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your not meant to understand a gamemode first try
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its like watching a 100 elo trash at chess player telling a 700 elo casual hes to sweaty because to the 100 elo player anything beyond knowing how to move the pieces is sweaty.
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i wouldn't even consider myself a pro
like im not braindead but im not like prime goondex or dragon TDS
the event isnt as bad as people claim it is- 1
I consider myself pro so fine im not the standard but pros can still analyze a gamemode and tell what it does right and wrong. Night 4s values are just inflated thats it everything else about it is fine
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Night 4's difficulty isn't skill based, it's based on stupid wave structure that is clearly designed to be lock and key'd by some super secret miracle combination like we're back in 2020 Hardcore mode. You can't do anything to be creative until halfway through the mode because you need to counter Cobalt Guards, Aggro spam, and the most obnoxious Comet layouts possible in the first 7 waves, with Cherubs right behind them which you need to account for.
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"on stupid wave structure that is clearly designed to be lock and key'd" tds player finds about trial and error
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"TDS player finds about trial and error" I know full well of trial and error, but I also know about blatant lock and key wave structure that's basically telling you to use a hyper specific loadout, and the moment it's found then it will just circle back into 'ez', and it won't even be fun because the magic combination will be pixel perfect.
There's a reason people suicide grinded in legacy HC instead of grinding Accel with triumphs; it's because the wave structure was designed to be lock and key'd with the early detection checks into DPS slop past wave 40, and once the key was found trying to deviate off the path is worthless, especially in a game like TDS where people can, do, and will leave if someone doesn't play 'perfectly.'- 0
"i also know about blatant lock and key wave structure" i know about 1 minute but i also know about 60 seconds + its like voidcore where the mode JUST released and people are obviously gonna use mega meta towers to beat it and will eventually find cheaper and /or more efficient ways to beat it, let it marinate holy shit
"there's a reason people suicide grinded in legacy hc" because it was hard?? and yeah sure its release was horrible but it was still good for what it was meant to be, its issues lied in the fact it was only source of gems for like 5 years and also needed the final form of progression to beat regularly- 0
We can't LET it marinate because we only have three weeks. And Exo help you if the big meta is centered around evolved towers you don't have because you'll be wasting even more time trying to get those towers before it's too late, which is a window closed further by most good players likely having beaten the mode and moving on, at best playing Easy mode to try to get logbooks. And Exo help you two if the big meta is event tower heavy and you don't have them.
Also legacy Hardcore wasn't only hard. It was built in a way to borderline require a specific strategy, and when players found it they didn't want to experiment because doing so would mean losing to the many locks they found the keys for. Big part of why when Frost Invasion fixed the price increases players found the mode impossible until they started abusing glitches, and when they were patched they just went and found new keys for the locks... at least until balancing turned Hardcore into a punching bag everyone and their mother could bully (But even then there would tend to be 'key' towers like Ranger and Engineer needed for the hyper specific locks that were fused in still)- 0
"We only have 3 weeks" holy cope
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you are the first person in history to complain about trial and error in a strategy game like that isnt fundamental to nearly everything strategy related
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i used to love this community man
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When the 'error' is three full health Comets barreling through the path and hearing Umbra mock you for the twentieth time in a row, you start not wanting to 'trial.'
There's clearly some magical combination that some big Youtuber's gonna find, and everyone's gonna use that until the event ends or there's a balance change. And then presto! There's no strategy, the lock has been picked, there's no point in trying anything else.- 0
yeah bro error as in a gamemode being hard and not you being unprepared yeahhh man
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Mate, I can see the Comets coming from a mile away, and my team more often than not can too, but it doesn't matter and we still thud and lose.
I've seen everything from Frost Blaster to Hallow Punk to Ace Pilot to Electroshocker be used, and none of it worked. Again, because there's a key some guy needs to find so the lock can be picked.- 0
congrats you found about some towers working better than others in certain situations
you're so close bro- 0
Yeah, that's called lock and key. There's a specific set of towers you need to use, and every other tower doesn't work or needs the stars to align to do half as decent.
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yeah... that's kinda the point of niches..
this isnt frost mode where any decent lead and flying smokes the entire match
also the n4 is insanely recent let the mode marinate nst could be meta we dont know
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I genuinely figured out how to get past wave 7 comets within 3 attempts btw its just you refusing to learn from your losses and figure out what you did wrong
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like sure some solutions are tough pills to swallow but.. they still need to be swallowed
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DEAR GOD 48 MINS
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i second this motion (alos they technically already nerfed it and it doesnt feel different at all)
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